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		<title>Comment on Saved by works by descriptivegrace</title>
		<link>http://realevang.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/saved-by-works/#comment-22277</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 03:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Justin&#039;s days, of course, Marcion had just finished writing the Pauline epistles.  They were still the property only of the Gnostics and wouldn&#039;t be stolen and canonized by the emerging orthodox church until 170-180.  So its no wonder Justin&#039;s doctrine is pre-Pauline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Justin&#8217;s days, of course, Marcion had just finished writing the Pauline epistles.  They were still the property only of the Gnostics and wouldn&#8217;t be stolen and canonized by the emerging orthodox church until 170-180.  So its no wonder Justin&#8217;s doctrine is pre-Pauline.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Predestination and salvation by works by descriptivegrace</title>
		<link>http://realevang.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/predestination-and-salvation-by-works/#comment-22276</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 03:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Before we look at Justin’s reasons for rejecting predestination, I want to digress a moment to reflect on the evolution of Judeo-Christian morality and philosophy. Compare Justin’s attitude to that of the author of Exodus,...Pharoah’s heart being hardened...You, mere mortal, had no choice in the matter, even if it meant going to hell for it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Except, there is no hell in Exodus.  When the worst God was imagined to do to you was kill you (and everyone is going to die anyway at some point) obviously it didn&#039;t make that much difference.  Paul himself, after all, doesn&#039;t believe in hell, never mentions it.  Paul by whom predestination enters Christianity doesn&#039;t teach the Augustinian &quot;original sin&quot; doctrine that we are damned to hell by Adam&#039;s sin--Paul only teaches we are damned to DIE by Adam&#039;s sin.  Despite 1500 years of Christian lies to the effect that death in Paul means hell, it most certainly means dying and ceasing to exist, and Paul&#039;s own words in 2 Cor 15 where only &quot;Those who belong to Christ at his coming&quot; will be resurrected proves it.  It was undoubtedly in Justin&#039;s days that the doctrine of hell as we know it was only beginning to be formulated, since Paul knew nothing of it!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Before we look at Justin’s reasons for rejecting predestination, I want to digress a moment to reflect on the evolution of Judeo-Christian morality and philosophy. Compare Justin’s attitude to that of the author of Exodus,&#8230;Pharoah’s heart being hardened&#8230;You, mere mortal, had no choice in the matter, even if it meant going to hell for it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Except, there is no hell in Exodus.  When the worst God was imagined to do to you was kill you (and everyone is going to die anyway at some point) obviously it didn&#8217;t make that much difference.  Paul himself, after all, doesn&#8217;t believe in hell, never mentions it.  Paul by whom predestination enters Christianity doesn&#8217;t teach the Augustinian &#8220;original sin&#8221; doctrine that we are damned to hell by Adam&#8217;s sin&#8211;Paul only teaches we are damned to DIE by Adam&#8217;s sin.  Despite 1500 years of Christian lies to the effect that death in Paul means hell, it most certainly means dying and ceasing to exist, and Paul&#8217;s own words in 2 Cor 15 where only &#8220;Those who belong to Christ at his coming&#8221; will be resurrected proves it.  It was undoubtedly in Justin&#8217;s days that the doctrine of hell as we know it was only beginning to be formulated, since Paul knew nothing of it!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on God&#8217;s bastard by james</title>
		<link>http://realevang.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/gods-bastard/#comment-21876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[james]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 01:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JESUS did die , his bones lie in the dust of the desert. HIS body was taken and hidden to keep alive his words as to who he was... He was just a man and died one, that&#039;s it , there was nothing else but emptiness ... Thus began the biggest con in history ... THE CHRISTIAN FAITH...The 4 gospels are all different , all weak and inconclusive and written as an after thought to their dead LORD!!!  It is clear each follower never really knew what JESUS really was and struggled to come to terms with his death... SO , why not say he lives thus keeping the new growing religion alive !!! These blinded people brought nothing but a threating and fearful message to a ever seeking world ... IT was now believe or perish in hell !!! TRUTH never came into it , nor ever will... The classic case of the BLIND LEADING THE BLIND ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JESUS did die , his bones lie in the dust of the desert. HIS body was taken and hidden to keep alive his words as to who he was&#8230; He was just a man and died one, that&#8217;s it , there was nothing else but emptiness &#8230; Thus began the biggest con in history &#8230; THE CHRISTIAN FAITH&#8230;The 4 gospels are all different , all weak and inconclusive and written as an after thought to their dead LORD!!!  It is clear each follower never really knew what JESUS really was and struggled to come to terms with his death&#8230; SO , why not say he lives thus keeping the new growing religion alive !!! These blinded people brought nothing but a threating and fearful message to a ever seeking world &#8230; IT was now believe or perish in hell !!! TRUTH never came into it , nor ever will&#8230; The classic case of the BLIND LEADING THE BLIND &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burnout by pboyfloyd</title>
		<link>http://realevang.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/burnou/#comment-21515</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pboyfloyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just checking. Still too hot to touch(get it? burnout? get it?).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just checking. Still too hot to touch(get it? burnout? get it?).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burnout by pboyfloyd</title>
		<link>http://realevang.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/burnou/#comment-21368</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I looked forward to Sundays, reading your posts and the commentary. I hope you find the time and a good subject to analyse soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked forward to Sundays, reading your posts and the commentary. I hope you find the time and a good subject to analyse soon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burnout by Len</title>
		<link>http://realevang.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/burnou/#comment-21304</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Len]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 12:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I concur with the comments above - it&#039;s been a pleasure to read your debunking of the apologetics&#039; nonsense. Thank you for the insights you&#039;ve provided and the ammunition to counter some of the stoopid that gets spouted in discussions. Whatever you do, best of luck - but I&#039;ll keep an eye out here from time to time, just in case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with the comments above &#8211; it&#8217;s been a pleasure to read your debunking of the apologetics&#8217; nonsense. Thank you for the insights you&#8217;ve provided and the ammunition to counter some of the stoopid that gets spouted in discussions. Whatever you do, best of luck &#8211; but I&#8217;ll keep an eye out here from time to time, just in case.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burnout by Marcelo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcelo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a shame, but I wish you the best. From Argentina.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame, but I wish you the best. From Argentina.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burnout by Skepticali</title>
		<link>http://realevang.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/burnou/#comment-21288</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skepticali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve really enjoyed your posts as well. I&#039;m amazed at your ability to power through the inanity - particularly this presupp BS - and dig out details and insights that I&#039;m not patient enough or smart enough to detect. If this is a permanent hiatus, then best of luck to you. If you&#039;re coming back down the line, then I look forward to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve really enjoyed your posts as well. I&#8217;m amazed at your ability to power through the inanity &#8211; particularly this presupp BS &#8211; and dig out details and insights that I&#8217;m not patient enough or smart enough to detect. If this is a permanent hiatus, then best of luck to you. If you&#8217;re coming back down the line, then I look forward to it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burnout by snagglefritz</title>
		<link>http://realevang.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/burnou/#comment-21286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[snagglefritz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve loved almost everything you have written. The time and effort you put into explaining (and debunking) the apologetic arguments really impressed me. I hope everything goes well for you. You won&#039;t be forgotten.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve loved almost everything you have written. The time and effort you put into explaining (and debunking) the apologetic arguments really impressed me. I hope everything goes well for you. You won&#8217;t be forgotten.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A sword with no hilt by Francois Tremblay</title>
		<link>http://realevang.wordpress.com/2013/02/17/a-sword-with-no-hilt/#comment-21269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francois Tremblay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 22:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I kinda disagree with the first point. Even if we conceive of God as being necessary for consistency, that does not mean God exists, but rather that we can&#039;t make sense of consistency without appealing to this God concept. It would be an epistemic issue, not an ontological issue. The only way to relate the two would be to have a coherent account of God and demonstrate how God causes consistency to exist, which of course is impossible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda disagree with the first point. Even if we conceive of God as being necessary for consistency, that does not mean God exists, but rather that we can&#8217;t make sense of consistency without appealing to this God concept. It would be an epistemic issue, not an ontological issue. The only way to relate the two would be to have a coherent account of God and demonstrate how God causes consistency to exist, which of course is impossible.</p>
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